I contributed to the Newgrounds Audio community between 2007 and 2010 as an electronic music artist, a reviewer, and, briefly, an audio mod. I still make music! Go to the links section here to see where. 🏳️⚧️
Joined on 12/29/06
I'm pretty sure that I speak for everyone on NG when I say that the only experience you have, is experience making shitty songs.
People come to newgrounds to have fun and experiment with their artistic skills. But you have to completely destroy their confidence with your worthless reviews. Yeah, some artist you are.
fuck off Karco. go be a douche bag on some other site.
Michael, I'm fully certain you don't know what you're talking about and have suspicions you're only trolling. So you're banned from my page.
I put well over half an hour into most of my reviews and it's frustrating when people refuse to accept my criticism for what it is, when I could have spent that time criticising somebody else, or making my own music. Praise helps nobody, and it only boosts their ego. Criticism, on the other hand, while bitter, will improve people more than any amount of plain praise ever will.
"3) butter their sensitive ego, say "nice work, you have a lot of potential, this isnt perfect but it is indicative of that""
Their sensitive ego is already getting buttered by a buttload of other fans.
Who don't matter at all... :(
* Cake is a lie! *
I have to agree with Bjra,
Since í'm partly nuuby :p
When people don't know what to do with your criticsm they think that you just reviewed to insult them. What i'm trying to say is, most people don't know how to improve even if they got the criticsm what's wrong. And that's slightly anoying. I have lots of troubles if people just say random stuff what's wrong in their eyes but i have no idea how to make it perfect. Just some random thought.
I consider myself still as a beginner, i'm still guilty of presets and not much mixing/mastering since i have no knowledge about that at all. But atleast i accept evry criticsm i can get :). Each different view is great, and finally that would result in a song where evrybody is happy with! (Song utopia!). But that would end in some weird generic happy techno with 160 bpm :/. That's just the style on NG. You make trance, and i love trance. Trance is awesome. But the majority of NG doesn't think that way.
Before i was on NG, i spend some time uploading on Soundclick. And most of the time it has a decent crapfilter. So i don't know what's NG is doing wrong. I think NG isn't doing anything wrong, it just attracts the wrong kind of people. (especially for music). NG is a flash based site. The AP was never intended to be a complete soundpage for artist to load their shit on. More or less some music for flash artist who could use them.
Since i'm fairly new i don't know much about NG, let alone the whole entire NG history but i've heard alot since now. Still hard to base judgement out of stories.
Anyhow, I believe Meastrorage ranted something about NG growing up. ( correct me if i'm wrong i'm just being lazy ). And yeah, i agree with that. It's an intresting idea that might be the truth. The NGAP is still evolving, and so are the users in a matter of fact. But maybe it's just TOO SLOW. and that's why artist leave.
*Fuck it, i'm not diplomatic enough :P. Expressing my thoughts in english is hard enough*
ps. For some reason you changed me! :O Now i'm typing with capitals and those " thingy's. >: l
ps.ps. And that horrible smily aswell! >: l i'm infected!!!
Gah, not you too. D:
Funny thing though, "the cake is a lie" applies to our situation too well here.
Again, because I'm extremely tired, and to be fair to Bjra, I won't give you a fully reply... yet. I do see a few points I do want to add to here, so I'll come back to this later.
Thanks for your time, and you're welcome for the infections? ;D
All these walls of text is getting out of hand lol :/
I don't mind, I just don't always have the time or energy to respond. :P
On second thought, that didn't make much sense :/.
Hang on, the men dressed in white long coats are chasing me again! :'(
Run away! :O
I Like Turtles
D:?!
After reading the walls of text, there were two things here I felt like responding to.
"mainstream artists have perfect mix 100%, but structure usually blows ass, save 1 or 2 good songs for most artists. repetitiveness..."
Wow, now you're getting into something that you probably don't know about. The mainstream artists have the structures they have for a REASON. Have you ever tried DJing before? Even with virtual DJ? Well, when you load up two semi-pro/amateur tracks and try to start mixing, the phrases NEVER match. However, with professionals, they basically always do.
The best example of this is UK Hardcore producer Scott Brown. Each of his songs has the EXACT SAME STRUCTURE. I bet he just loads up a template for it before hand. Here it is:
Intro: Repeated Vocal Sample + Non-melodic content.
First Part: Kickdrum and basic melodic content. Drop the kick every few bars for a bar or two. Bass.
Second Part: Same as above with slightly more melodic content.
Breakdown: Melodies and minimal percussion.
Energy Part: Main melody plays, drop the kick every few bars.
"Middle Mixing Part": Drop the melody and return to just the bass, for mixing without the second half of the song.
Breakdown 2: Same as breakdown 1 in most cases, but quite different in others (for example: Scott Brown - Ghosts. The first breakdown is typical gabber melody thingy, while the second has.... acoustic guitar? and female vocals? wtf?)
Energy Part 2: Same as energy part 1
End Mixing Part: Nearing the end of the song. Drop the kick every few bars.
End: Just kickdrum and repeated vocal sample.
And that's it. It makes his songs SO FRIGGIN EASY to mix, it's amazing. And the funny part is that they're good too. It's like... weird trance at 170 with more thumping bass and stuff.
"emotional, deep trance music >>>>> cheesy party rave music :D"
:'(
Not too much to say, since you were responding to other people. Nice read though. :D
So i have skimmed through all this shit and i have to say its really SHIT. all of it worthless opinions and possibly the SICKNESS hang out for underdog HIP NG AUTHORS (such as myself) DUH. Although i have Learned a couple things
1. kdub well besides from having shitty music now i think hes partial retarded.
2.Michael425 Lied about his age He's really 11.
3.S3C set this to his homepage.
4.Bjra Could be and very probably is outside your window right now with a hairdoll he created from your sheadings.
Shit i have no idea where i was going with this.
Neither do I. :P
Uhumm...aren't you gonna answer my PM? =(
I didn't feel like I was getting anywhere. :( If you want a response, I'll send one sometime in the next few days.
Mmm...well did you at least read my response?
I did, I don't ignore my PMs - I read every one. :)
Whew. By far THE longest procession of comments and replies I've ever read through. One thing I like about being on NG only on a very surface level is that I'm oblivious to most of the debates-- if I had wanted drama, I would've kept amateur voice acting. -shudder, twitch- But as it is, I came to scout out talented producers and offer assistance, maybe drop a review or two.
What I am going to say, though, is that I hope you have a concrete idea of the direction you want to head in if you're leaving NG due to a slew of reasons related to lack of quality control. If you're working up to label-quality-productions, then seriously start approaching professionals for advice. Searching out more low-key communities of amateur producers is good for bouncing ideas off of one another, but where do you stand and where can you grow the most?
As for simply posting music, something I never thought I'd be doing-- plugging MySpace. I didn't join until I started singing more-- as much as I scorn the site, it gets a strange amount of exposure for musicians from surprising sources. A number of reputable names prowl the site-- without even advertising (I'm still not terribly fond of MySpace, and only started linking to my page recently), remixer Avatar One from the UK stumbled upon my page. Go figure?
Best of luck!
Very true in the second paragraph, I plan to find a new site to submit to as soon as I finish this track of mine - it'll be the last track here and the first there. :)
I'm seriously considering a Myspace, and stories like that help my image of the site even more. I may just get one in the near future. :)
Thanks for the comment, and the same to you as well!
S3C
lol^. look at the pot calling the kettle black.
Karco (Updated )
Some people...
I think that guy sent me some IMs for my latest review, too.
Dj Michael425 (9:51:51 PM): you are probably the gayest guy on all of newgrounds
Dj Michael425 (9:52:07 PM): no joke
Dj Michael425 (9:52:24 PM): you whine like a bitch
Dj Michael425 (9:52:55 PM): I hope you fucking leave
Dj Michael425 (9:53:14 PM): because I never want to see another review like the one you left on Andrea's Top 5 song
Dj Michael425 (9:53:24 PM): you asshole
Because well over a year and a half of experience with tracks like that one couldn't possibly mean anything, could it?